tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2911068236939343613.post8828256392072662241..comments2023-08-24T16:41:19.306+01:00Comments on Let nothing you dismay: Our true home?Michael Gollop http://www.blogger.com/profile/00076220518083389674noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2911068236939343613.post-55931412684682328942010-11-07T14:06:03.765+00:002010-11-07T14:06:03.765+00:00Tess, clearly it's my turn to apologise for my...Tess, clearly it's my turn to apologise for my defensiveness. One of the worst aspects of the crisis we are in is the tendency to see criticism and opposition where there is none. <br />The whole "patrimony" question, though, is one which has exercised many people since the Ordinariates were announced. There are certain specific areas such as elements in our liturgy and pastoral care which could be termed as specifically Anglican. 'Ethos' is obviously a very difficult thing to pin down, but we recognise it when we come across it. This is a link to an article written by a Dominican, Fr Aiden Nichols, which goes some way to explaining what we mean: http://www.anglicanuse.org/Anglican_Uniatism.pdf<br />as does his short but wider survey of Anglican history (from the outside) in his book, 'The Panther & the Hind' ( T&T Clark 1993)<br />They are good starting points for working out where we are coming from, and which Anglican traditions could be successfully "repatriated" into the Universal Church. Hope that's of some use.Michael Gollop https://www.blogger.com/profile/00076220518083389674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2911068236939343613.post-91455238486247639162010-11-07T11:27:37.273+00:002010-11-07T11:27:37.273+00:00Hello Father. Thankyou for the very considered res...Hello Father. Thankyou for the very considered response to my question. Please may I apologise if my question was considered 'barbed'. It wasn't intended to be so. I wrote from naivete. I have not been Christian very long (barely over a year) and although I was raised and confirmed in an Anglo-Catholic church in my teens, my experiences of Christianity (both good and bad) since then had been mostly congregational evangelical until I rejoined the Anglican Church. Recently, while studying the solas, I came to the conclusion that the Catholic doctrines on soteriology were correct, and thus started to take more interest in Anglo-Catholic perspectives. This naturally led me to ask myself whether I could remain comfortable staying within the Anglican church or whether I would eventually feel the need to 'go over to Rome'. It is my naivete that causes me to use this phrase, though I see from your response that it is a phrase often loaded with ill-intent - which I certainly never meant.<br /><br />I suppose what I was really trying to discover was whether there was something particular about an Ordinariate that was *better* than simply converting, and I see from your response that you believe there is. Admittedly, not being well-versed in ecclesiology, I'm not actually sure what it is referred to by : "the liturgical, spiritual and pastoral traditions of the Anglican Communion" which would be preserved in the Ordinariate (and which presumably are ... different... in the RC Church?)<br /><br />Again, please let me apologise for any antagonism you perceived in my original comment/question. It was entirely unintended. I am very much a supporter of the Ordinariate, and not because I want to 'get rid of' Anglo-Catholics from the church to which I belong. Quite the contrary!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18395534300762460678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2911068236939343613.post-39508201957703131562010-11-04T18:03:19.294+00:002010-11-04T18:03:19.294+00:00I suspect Fr Mervyn that for many Anglicans today ...I suspect Fr Mervyn that for many Anglicans today their church is more akin to a social club with 'a lovely woman' who does 'a wonderful job' but that's as far as it goes. Few can offer any more than that yet we are the ones told to b****r off! <br />Excellent contribution as ever Fr Michael, thank you.AncientBritonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12357913998344777403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2911068236939343613.post-10679862654337659942010-11-04T16:04:53.551+00:002010-11-04T16:04:53.551+00:00Thank you for this article Father. I do wish peopl...Thank you for this article Father. I do wish people would stop saying "so you're going to Rome" as if it were just a matter of catching a plance or a ferry. I suspect that there are many like me who have been fighting with their conscience about the Ordinariate. Our heads tell us we should accept the offer by Pope Benedict with alacrity but our hearts are still entrenched in the Church of our birth and our ordination, a church we have tried to serve faithfully for a number of years. I think it is the shock that we have found that we are no longer wanted - as one individual said at a Deanery Synod to my wife: "why don't you lot b****r of to Rome, you are no longer wanted in the Church of England. Don't you get the message" Well truth to say we do get the message but it makes me very sad that Christians can speak and act in this sort of way about fellow Christians. There is nothing more illibreal than a liberal!!!!! As I said, we do get the message and we will indeed be *****ing of to Rome but we will do so, when the Ordinariate is ready and in our own time and not at the behest of others.Father Mervyn Jenningshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17053613428222136067noreply@blogger.com